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Villa with private pool, terrace and sea views

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Extérieur
Piscine
Extérieur
Piscine
Piscine

Avis voyageurs

9,6 sur 10
Exceptionnel
5 chambres3 salles de bain ou plus14 personnes1000 mÂČ

Équipements populaires

  • Piscine
  • Parking disponible
  • Animaux de compagnie acceptĂ©s
  • Lave-linge
  • CheminĂ©e
  • Barbecue

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Albufeira
  • Marina d'Albufeira
    â€Ș7 min Ă  pied‬
  • Plage de Peneco
    â€Ș10 min Ă  pied‬
  • Place de la Vieille Ville d'Albufeira
    â€Ș13 min Ă  pied‬
  • Faro (FAO-AĂ©roport international de Faro)
    â€Ș37 min en voiture‬

Chambres et lits

5 chambres (14 personnes)

Chambre 1

1 grand lit

Chambre 2

1 lit double

Chambre 3

1 lit double

Chambre 4

3 lits 1 place

Chambre 4

4 lits 1 place

3 salles de bain, 1 WC avec lavabo

Salle de bain 1

Baignoire ou douche · Bidet · Toilettes

Salle de bain 2

Baignoire ou douche · Bidet · Toilettes

Salle de bain 3

Baignoire ou douche · Bidet · Toilettes

Salle de bain 4

Baignoire ou douche · Toilettes

Espaces

Terrasse en bois ou patio
Cuisine
Balcon
Coin salle à manger séparé
Jardin
Lock

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À propos de cet hĂ©bergement

Villa with private pool, terrace and sea views

Private swimming pool with pool chairs

Private garden, lot of space for you and kids

Barbecue area with grill and ample terrace

Located in a quiet area, good access

Stunning views over the sea and countryside

Albufeira Beach is about 15 minutes walking distance.The nearest beach is less than 0.5 km 10 minutes walk

Albufeira Boat's Marina is less than 0,5 km

The nearest beach is less than 0,5 km (10 minutes by walk)

Golf of Salgados, 1,5 km. Vilamoura Golf, 25 km

Faro is the next airport. 40 minutes by car

Supermarket Intermarché (650 Mts from villa)

Old Town center (800 Mts from villa)

Bus station and gipsy market (2,9 km from villa)

Train station (6,7 km form villa)

Zoomarine (10 km from villa)

Slide & splash (24 km from villa)

Aquashow (25km from villa)

AlgarveShopping (9 km from villa)

Responsable de l’hĂ©bergement

Andre Ramos

Langues parlées

Anglais, français, allemand, portugais et espagnol

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Services et équipements

Piscine
Cuisine
Lave-linge
Animaux de compagnie acceptés
Climatisation
Espace extérieur

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RÚglement intérieur

Arrivée aprÚs 17 h 00
Âge minimum pour la location : 18 ans
Départ avant 11 h 00
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Enfants

Enfants autorisés : de 0 à 17 ans
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ÉvĂ©nements

ÉvĂ©nements autorisĂ©s : rĂ©unions de famille, fĂȘtes d'anniversaire et mariages
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Animaux domestiques

Animaux de compagnie autorisés : chiens et chats de moins de 9 kg chacun (maximum 2 animaux au total)
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Fumeurs/non-fumeurs

Fumeurs autorisés : dans certaines zones déterminées

Informations importantes

À savoir absolument

Cet hĂ©bergement est gĂ©rĂ© par un hĂŽte professionnel et fourni dans le cadre d’une activitĂ© commerciale, industrielle ou libĂ©rale, au sens de l’article 155 du Code gĂ©nĂ©ral des impĂŽts
Des frais pour toute personne supplĂ©mentaire peuvent ĂȘtre facturĂ©s et dĂ©pendent de la politique de l'hĂ©bergement
Une piĂšce d'identitĂ© officielle avec photo et un dĂ©pĂŽt de garantie en espĂšces, par carte de crĂ©dit ou par carte de dĂ©bit, peuvent ĂȘtre demandĂ©s Ă  l'arrivĂ©e pour couvrir tous frais imprĂ©vus
Les demandes spĂ©ciales, qui ne peuvent pas ĂȘtre garanties, sont soumises Ă  disponibilitĂ© Ă  l'arrivĂ©e et peuvent entraĂźner des frais supplĂ©mentaires
Les clients doivent contacter cet hébergement à l'avance pour réserver une chaise haute
Les fĂȘtes et Ă©vĂ©nements (y compris les rĂ©unions de famille, les fĂȘtes d'anniversaire et les mariages) sur place sont autorisĂ©s
L'hÎte a indiqué que l'hébergement était équipé d'un détecteur de monoxyde de carbone
L'hÎte a indiqué que l'hébergement était équipé d'un détecteur de fumée
Cet hébergement comprend les dispositifs de sécurité suivants : un extincteur et un verrou de sûreté
Cet hébergement comporte des espaces extérieurs comme des balcons, des patios ou des terrasses potentiellement non adaptés aux enfants. Si vous avez des questions, nous vous recommandons de contacter l'hébergement avant votre arrivée afin de savoir s'il peut vous accueillir dans une chambre adéquate.
NumĂ©ro d’enregistrement de l’hĂ©bergement : 60812/AL

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Une voiture n'est pas nécessaire pour accéder à l'hébergement et se déplacer pendant le séjour

À propos du quartier

Albufeira

Dans le quartier Centre d'Albufeira à Albufeira, vous trouverez cette villa prÚs de parcs de loisirs, prÚs de la plage. Les célÚbres Marina d'Albufeira et Balaia Golf Village valent le détour si un minimum d'action est à l'ordre du jour. L'aventure, trÚs peu pour vous ? Vous préférez vous poser et apprécier la beauté naturelle des lieux ? Partez à la découverte des non moins emblématiques Plage d'Albufeira et Plage de São Rafael. En voyage avec toute la tribu ? Envisagez de passer par les fantastiques Zoo Krazy World et Aqualand Algarve. Les points d'eau des environs sont le décor idéal pour vous adonner à de nouvelles activités telles que le ski nautique et la planche à voile tandis que les amoureux d'aventures en plein air pourront plutÎt opter pour les promenades à cheval et les balades en vélo.
Carte
Albufeira

À proximitĂ©

  • Marina d'Albufeira - 7 min Ă  pied - 0.6 km
  • Plage de Peneco - 10 min Ă  pied - 0.9 km
  • Place de la Vieille Ville d'Albufeira - 13 min Ă  pied - 1.1 km
  • Plage de SĂŁo Rafael - 4 min en voiture - 3.0 km
  • The Strip - 5 min en voiture - 3.3 km

Comment se déplacer

  • Albufeira - Ferreiras Station - 13 min en voiture
  • AĂ©roport international de Faro (FAO) - 40 min en voiture

Restaurants

  • â€ȘEl Barrio - ‬12 min Ă  pied
  • â€ȘGate 4 CafĂ© - ‬12 min Ă  pied
  • â€ȘCastello di Norcia - ‬9 min Ă  pied
  • â€ȘWindmill Restaurant and Bar - ‬6 min Ă  pied
  • â€ȘJack's Irish Pub - ‬13 min Ă  pied

Foire aux questions

L'hébergement Villa with private pool, terrace and sea views dispose-t-il d'une piscine ?

Oui, cet hébergement dispose d'une piscine.

Les animaux domestiques sont-ils admis dans l'hébergement ?

Oui, cet hébergement accepte les chiens et les chats (max. 2) ne dépassant pas 9 kg chacun.

Quelle est l'heure d'arrivée à l'hébergement Villa with private pool, terrace and sea views ?

Les arrivées sont prévues à partir de 17 h 00.

Quelle est l'heure de départ de l'hébergement Villa with private pool, terrace and sea views ?

Le départ a lieu à 11 h 00.

OĂč se situe l'hĂ©bergement ?

Cette villa à l'atmosphÚre familiale à Albufeira se trouve face à la mer, à 2 km de sites comme Marina d'Albufeira et Place de la Vieille Ville d'Albufeira. Plage de São Rafael et The Strip se trouvent également à moins de 5 km de distance.

Avis

9,6

Exceptionnel

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Note des voyageurs de 10 (Excellent), d’aprùs 56 avis sur 75.
Note des voyageurs de 8 (Bien), d’aprùs 18 avis sur 75.
Note des voyageurs de 6 (Satisfaisant), d’aprùs 2 avis sur 75.
Note des voyageurs de 4 (MĂ©diocre), d’aprĂšs 0 avis sur 75.
Note des voyageurs de 2 (Horrible), d’aprùs 0 avis sur 75.

9,6/10

Propreté

9,8/10

Arrivée

10/10

Communication

9,6/10

Emplacement

9,8/10

Exactitude de l’annonce

Avis

10/10 Excellent

Carol L.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce
A very welcoming villa and lovely hosts. We had a lovely week staying here. Great location plenty of space in the villa for everyone to get their own space and large kitchen space for us all to enjoy
Séjour de 7 nuits en juillet 2025

10/10 Excellent

Keran E.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Perfect Villa

The property was amazing, very clean and welcoming with lovely little touches like a welcome sign on the front door with my name on, it has everything you could need, really nice touches by the owners, they asked the ages of the children arriving and left out appropriate aged toys which the children loved.They also left a very much appreciated welcome hamper.The villa was a perfect home from home and we cannot wait to return.
Séjour de 10 nuits en juin 2025

10/10 Excellent

Thomas M.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

60th. wedding Anniversary Celebration

Great rental, well equipped, very accommodating and responsive Host.
Séjour de 28 nuits en février 2025

10/10 Excellent

Carli A.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Great place for family

Our family loved staying there and the hosts were super responsive whenever we needed anything!
Séjour de 5 nuits en août 2023

10/10 Excellent

deborah m.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Villa ramos

Accommodation was excellent the hosts were brilliant nothing was to much trouble for them and very kind the best villa we have had so far highly recommend it thank you to the hosts
Séjour de 7 nuits en octobre 2024

10/10 Excellent

Richard P.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Mr R Preece

Great stay at villa Ramos, clean and tidy, great location
Séjour de 14 nuits en septembre 2024

10/10 Excellent

Jenny G.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Fantastic

What a beautiful villa. I stayed here with my 8 children for a week in February. Clean and very beautiful. Great communication with Andre throughout. Would definitely stay again.
Séjour de 6 nuits en février 2024

10/10 Excellent

Nicole T.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Absolutely Oustanding

WOW we all had the best 10day stay at Villa Ramos. Andre the Host was just brilliant with help and guidance from booking departure. The Villa has everything you need and more. We shall definitely return. X
Séjour de 10 nuits en juillet 2024

10/10 Excellent

Voyageur vérifié

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Wonderful!

Villa Ramos is a big, fun house in an excellent location. We were happily there for seven weeks and did not rent a car.
Séjour de 49 nuits en février 2023

10/10 Excellent

craig s.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Spacious vilka

Advert accurate. 10 minute walk to marina, 15 minute walk to old town. Everything you need for large group excellent facilities and even welcome note with few essentials. Host keeps in touch and arranges transfers if required. Would stay again.
Séjour de 9 nuits en avril 2024

10/10 Excellent

Philip P.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Very good Large Family Villa with a very helpful host

Large Villa that was plenty big enough for 6 adults & 4 children over 3 floors so easy for some privacy within the building Very steep drive but will fit 3 cars on the flat at the bottom, as the villa is on a dead end road there is little traffic, & parking is easily available on the street. Good pool & plenty of sunbeds. Very family orientated as lots of toys & games for all ages plus table tennis & pool. The option of reserving a barrel of 'Super Bloc' is a must as saved shopping for boxes of beer plus tasted so good!!! Good BBQ. Villa has a supermarket & sports bar 5-10 walk minutes away & town is a further 5-10mins walk The villa is a little tired but very comfortable & 'homely'. The help from Andre & Patricia were very helpful throughout our stay & definitely get a 5 star rating!!
Séjour de 14 nuits en mai 2024

6/10 Satisfaisant

sharon hanlon

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Villa Ramos

Lovely big villa, plenty of space, great pool area. The welcome pack was much appreciated and the kitchen was so well stocked with everything you needed. Great communication with André the owner. We love this location, although very hilly, great walking down to town but I always got a taxi back. Just a couple of negatives: The showers in two of the rooms are very old and dated and not working properly which meant 7 of us had to use just 2 showers and some of the mattresses need replacing especially the double mattresses. The suite at the top floor needs a complete new bed as the one there is too low down and really not comfortable. There are broken tiles in the games room which is dangerous if you walk around barefoot. All in all we enjoyed our stay at this villa and if these couple of things were rectified we would stay here again
Séjour de 7 nuits en octobre 2024
Cet avis a Ă©tĂ© envoyĂ© avant 2018 et n’a pas Ă©tĂ© vĂ©rifiĂ©.

10/10 Excellent

jason p.

great villa

We stayed at villa Ramos in August the villa is very large the pictures dont show the true size of this place.There was 10 of us and all had plenty of room without being on top of each other,we had cleaners come in once during are 1 week stay and the pool was cleaned most mornings. the kitchen had every thing you could need if you wanted to cook meals we chose to eat out most nights and used the bbq once.The pool area was also very large with plenty of sun beads and chairs and if you wanted to sit out of the sun there was plenty of shade all day.The beach was about 25 minutes walk and so was Old Town its ok going because its all down hill but coming back was hard as its all up hill. The supermarket was a 10 minute walk it had everything you could need to enjoy your stay,the marina was 10 minutes away in the opposite direction and a very nice place to visit we found the restaurants better value and quality here.All in all we a fabulous stay here and would recommend it to anyone wanting to stay in Albufeira.
Séjour de 8 nuits en août 2016

8/10 Bien

daniel p.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

fim de semana com amigos

bastante boa
Séjour de 3 nuits en août 2024

10/10 Excellent

Nicola W.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Amazing holiday rental and can't wait to stay again.

We stayed at villa ramos over the course of our wedding. The communication with the owner was fantastic and he was so helpful and nice. He went above and beyond to help us and is only a message away. Easy booking. Straight forward check in. Its about a 15 minute walk to old town. Small supermarket close by. Uber is easy to use to get around with. The villa is a great size. In a safe area. It also has everything you need. We loved our stay there and plan to rebook and stay again. I have nothing negative to say about the 9 nights we stayed there. One of the most memorable places we have stayed xx
Séjour de 9 nuits en septembre 2022

8/10 Bien

Mieke I.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Ruime vakantiewoning voor familiegroepen.

Een mooi ruim huis op een goede lokatie. Op loopafstand een supermarkt. De communicatie met Andre( eigenaar) is heel prettig. Reageert snel en kan van alles voor je regelen. Het huis is ruim en vooral het zwembad de pool en tafeltennistafel werden door de kinderen gewaardeerd. Voldoende speelgoed, zeer goede WiFi met chromecast dus je eigen Netflix mocht je dat willen. Het huis vertoont gebruikerssporen maar dat namen wij voor lief. Wasmachine en vaatwasser is fijn. Wasmiddel en vaatwastabletten aanwezig. Kortom wij hebben een geweldig verblijf gehad!
Séjour de 7 nuits en octobre 2022

10/10 Excellent

Lynn K.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Beautiful villa with a great sized private pool. The owner was extremely helpful throughout our stay

Lovely place to stay. Home from home with the added bonus of a pool.
Séjour de 7 nuits en septembre 2022

10/10 Excellent

Debbie W., Nottingham

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

BRILLIANT HOLIDAY

We stayed here for 9 nights, we should have been a party of 8 but our ever efficient passport office meant 3 of our party could go :-( On arrival the keys were in a box which the host provided the code - on entering the villa we were pleasantly suprised at the space and the cleanliness. We had asked Ramos the host to provide us with a keg of beer - which was all set up and ready to pour on our arrival. :-) The games room downstairs complete with pool table and table tennis oh and not forgetting the bar itself was perfect for lazy days round the pool, only a few steps from the pool - which is lovely. The space in this villa is perfect - plenty of bathrooms and dining facilities. Ramos left us with some goodies on arrical which was a nice touch. Just a head ups - dont take any toiletries, we took ,loads but found we didnt need them as previous guests had left every thing we needed - including numerous bottle of sun lotion. The surrounding area is lovely and peaceful and there is a local shop and bar just a short walk away. the old town and marina are also close by. Be warned though - if you are not the walking type (as i am) - take plenty of extra taxi money... the hills can be rather steep. The view from the villa was excellent, views of the harbour and the sea. Overall it was the prefect holiday and we will be returning very soon, I cannot recommend it enough. See you soon Ramos. x
Séjour de 9 nuits en juin 2022

10/10 Excellent

John E.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Fantastic holiday

Yet again thus Villa was amazing. It was spotlessly clean, the pool area is fantastic, it’s a short walk to the beach and Old Town, and we had a great time yet again. The property owner Andre was superb and arranged everything we wanted. We can’t wait to come back, just exceptional.
Séjour de 4 nuits en juin 2022

10/10 Excellent

John F.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Good

Excellent
Séjour de 7 nuits en juin 2022

8/10 Bien

Paul R.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Villa Ramos

We spent 10 days at the villa and overall it was satisfactory. We are a family of 9 and enjoyed quite a few days in and around the pool which was a really good size. Although the villa was a bit dated it was still adequate, there were some small issues like only 3 sun beds and only 2 beer glasses and no wine glasses but a quick message to Andre and it was sorted. The view from the villa is pretty good to, a perfect location for the old town and the Marina only about a 10-15 minute walk.
Séjour de 10 nuits en mai 2022

8/10 Bien

Cheryl J.

Les points forts : Arrivée et communication

Lovely

It was a great property for a large group as there is plenty of space , only a few minor hiccups like noisy neighbours, for most of the 2 weeks woke us up early hours with loud music screaming and shouting, but it wouldn’t stop us going to the property again as it was just bad luck. Also we never got the villa cleaned in the whole 2 weeks the cleaner just changed beds and towels, so my party had to do the cleaning which was a little disappointing. As we paid a lot of money to stay there. Andre was very good when we had problems so couldn’t fault him at all. He was always on top of the problems. Great location only 10 mins walk to beach and old town. 5 mins walk to Marina. To the main strip you would need to get taxi. But it wasn’t a problem at all. Weather was gorgeous very hot đŸ„” If I had to criticise the villa it does need updating in places like 1. the oven needs to be bigger to accommodate large groups, took ages for my party of 14. 2. Fridge freezers need to be bigger 3. Needs to have more sun loungers as there was only 6 at property. 4. All the beds need updating wasn’t comfortable at all. 5. Overall it could do with modernising inside the property. We had a great time would definitely come back. Thank you so much Andre for all your help.
Séjour de 14 nuits en août 2021

10/10 Excellent

paul b.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Wonderful house

It was a wonderful and spacious house. The contact with the owner was really good. Andre was very informative and helpful. Very comforting in this difficult period.
Séjour de 8 nuits en juillet 2020

8/10 Bien

Gail shiner

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Great villa fabulous location

We ( 8 ladies) stayed at Villa Ramos to celebrate my 50th bday , the villa is so spacious and an added bonus we were not expecting - was the reviews said no direct access from house to the pool but there are now stairs inside the house to the lower floor , out to the terrace and pool. The step into the pool is deep so for shorter guests this could be an issue but although the pool area is tired and could do with some TLC, it was a great area to relax. Some new sun loungers and a few umbrellas would be welcomed. It would also be nice to have a table and chairs outside by the pool area rather than inside. The views from the villa were great and in the evening watching the sunset was simply stunning from the top balcony. The kitchen is large and has some equipment but could do with a restock - fine for us as we ate out every night. Bedrooms were all a good size and 3 doubles on the top floor have air-con, triple room on middle floor and 4 bedded room downstairs have fans, which were great. There is a great supermarket approx 7 mins walk ( straight across at the roundabout) which had lots of choice. The old town was a 15 min walk - slightly hilly walking back up - but not to bad. Andre answered questioned quickly and he arranged transport to the villa and return to the airport which was great and one less thing for us to worry about. The villa was great value and gave us a great base for the 5 nights we stayed. Thank you Andre.

10/10 Excellent

Garry F.

Les points forts : PropretĂ©, arrivĂ©e, communication, emplacement et exactitude de l’annonce

Couldn't have been better

Property was amazing, absolutely loads of space, excellently sized swimming pool and had both a full size pool table and ping pong. The surprise of a bar and option to purchase a keg of beer was the cherry on the cake. Would highly recommend and would definitely return in the future. Andre even let us check in early which was very much appreciated!

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Pourquoi avoir choisi cet hébergement ?

A temperate climate throughout the year, a coastline of splendid beaches bathed by the Mediterranean and all types of accommodation, night life and sports make this the perfect destination for the family.

Albufeira is nightlife, sunshine, beaches and much, much more. Animation are just some of the things that is guaranteed to Albufeira. Here life has the rhythm of a tourist metropolis and, as the sun goes down, meet the sun lovers at the many nightclubs, restaurants and bars.
Sports are also a good reason to come and stay in Albufeira. Tennis, golf, water sports and much more to delight the most demanding sportsmen.

Best known for the sea, the beaches and the incredible tones of the rocks and cliffs, Albufeira is very different just a few kilometres towards the interior - almond, fig, pine and orange trees dot the landscape of green!
This area is the local news level, more intensive in Portugal. It has very little to do with the real Portugal, or with the real planet earth, but people come here in large groups and have the holiday of a lifetime.

Albufeira The name came from the Arabic word 'Al-buhera' which means 'castle of the sea' and was used as a defensive fortress for the Arabs.

Come in and discover for yourself why the Algarve has something for everyone.

Langues :

Anglais, Français, Allemand, Espagnol, Portugais
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